Dr. Christopher Burton is a physiatrist, speaker, and prolific author, writing about physician finance, home buying, practice marketing, and finds physician burnout to be such a critical issue, that this is his SECOND book on the topic.  In our interview, we discuss the specialties that are most commonly affected, how to recognize it and how to address it.  This is not a woo-woo talk about breathing and meditating your burnout away.  We talk about the brass tacks like outsourcing and learning to love your EMR.  Dovetailing well into the last episode about strategic quitting, he uses his “legacy ladder” to help us decide what we need to quit to achieve the Burnout Breakthough: Make the Most of Your Time, Your Family, Your Health, Your Career.

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Unknown Speaker  0:03
Welcome to the physicians guide to doctor, a practical guide for practicing physicians. Dr. Bradley Block interviews experts in and out of medicine to find out everything we should have been learning while we were memorizing the Krebs cycle. The ideas expressed on this podcast are those of the interviewer and interviewee and do not represent those of our respective employers. And now, here’s Dr. Bradley Block.
Unknown Speaker  0:27
On today’s episode, we speak to Dr. Christopher Burton, a physiatrist, public speaker, position coach and prolific author. He just published burnout breakthrough a follow up to putting out the fire, both about physician burnout, we talked about the symptoms and consequences of burnout. Reasons for burnout, what specialties tend to be the most commonly affected. And we finished with some high yield ways to minimize burnout like learning to love your EMR and following his legacy ladder to make sure your time is being devoted to living the life you want to live.
Unknown Speaker  1:04
Welcome back to the physicians guide to doctoring. On today’s episode we have Dr. Christopher Burton, a physiatrist in Florida who is actually a prolific author and public speaker. And his latest book, burnout breakthrough was recently released. And that’s what we’re going to be talking about today. So, Dr. Christopher Burton, thank you so much for being on the show today.
Unknown Speaker  1:23
It’s a pleasure. Thanks for inviting me.
Unknown Speaker  1:26
So first, let’s just talk about your training. Where’d you go to med school and residency?
Unknown Speaker  1:31
Yeah, I was out in Southern California for both I trained in Loma Linda University. Not too far from San Bernardino and Riverside Redlands California area.
Unknown Speaker  1:44
And then, you know, what, what made you decide to write this book? What experiences have you had that led you to, to this breakthrough?
Unknown Speaker  1:57
Yeah, that’s a good question. I actually It was kind of a combination of things that led me down this road. First one I started out, I was focused on on leadership and communication for physicians. I did some coaching around the business side of medicine, you know how to market your practice, promote yourself in your specialty. But the more I talk with, with my fellow physicians, the more I realized that most of the problems we were addressing, they lead back to, to being burned out, you know, that someone would talk about, how do I know how to write a book, How do I become a speaker? How do I undergo a career change? But the problem was, they weren’t necessarily going to those things because they were passionate about it. And some of them were, the others were just tired of what they were doing already. And we’re looking for a change. And so I realized that you know, no matter what else I did, we were just kind of putting a bandaid on it if you will. Now, the The real thing we needed to address was the fact that most physicians are burned out and are ready to do something about it.
Unknown Speaker  3:08
So you kind of you mentioned it,
Unknown Speaker  3:11
that people would ask you how, because you are already a public speaker, how they can put themselves in the position that you’re already in. So I definitely think it bears mentioning at this point that you’re you’re a prolific author, you’ve written books on physician finance, purchasing a home as a physician, marketing yourself as a physician. And this isn’t even your first book on burnout. Your first book was putting out the fire, how to prevent physician burnout. So, so this is this is a topic that you’re revisiting. Why do you think if you’d already had a book on it, why do you think it was necessary to revisit the issue?
Unknown Speaker  3:49
I think, you know, as a I’m finished the first one and got it out there in the hands of more and more physicians. It really I realized that prevention was One thing, but now I mean, let’s face it, we’re already busy. How much time do we spend on prevention even with our patients or as patients? And how much do we spend on doing our own preventative maintenance, versus when things are already bad now that you’re looking for a solution. You know, very few patients come in and say, you know, I’d like to eat better exercise more lose weight, you know, they come in because you know, the hypertension that that diabetes, their joints hurt, and that they’re already feeling the pain. And that’s why kind of one of the analogies someone else told me a few years back was, you know, people, you know, that they come to for the pain medicine, they don’t come for you to for the vitamin, so that, you know, maybe I needed to explore it a little, little more depth gets specific tips for people who are already burned out and see what they could do differently. So it’s a little bit of different taking a little deeper exploration of the topic.
Unknown Speaker  5:01
So, first, let’s define burnout. How is it that you define burnout? What are the symptoms? And what are the consequences?
Unknown Speaker  5:10
Yeah, burnout is
Unknown Speaker  5:14
overall, it’s a lack of enjoyment of in what you’re doing or specifically in your profession. That’s kind of a generic term or definition we use and the symptoms, they start off pretty subtle and you might not even notice some of them at first. And that makes it hard to diagnose or quantify burnout for a lot of people. Think of things like cynicism or sarcasm, for example, like that can actually be an early defense mechanism when administrators are pushing you placing unrealistic demands on you. You don’t feel like you have any say in how your schedule is going, how your clinics run, how your whether you can hire fire staff, even when you can have Start getting that, that cynicism or sarcasm most people don’t think of that necessarily as burnout, there’s kind of the first step down that road. You know, same thing with strained relationships at home. It may seem like there’s something else that’s the problem initially. But then you realize that you know, a lot of it has to do it kind of your attitude in the way that your your judgments clouded by the stress at work, or, frankly, the depression. And we start off now we feel exhausted, we feel physically emotionally exhausted. We start doubting ourselves, that ourselves in clinic or in the operating rooms, you know, is my doing the right things? Am I making a difference anymore? You know, that, that sense of personal accomplishments, not there. You don’t feel like you’re, you’re having an impact on the world, which, you know, ideally or not, that’s kind of why most of us went into medicine was to make a difference because we wanted to help people and make an impact to to feel like Jordan Doing that it feels like you wasted 12 1314 years of your life to get to this point. And again that the strained relationships so it can lead to things like divorce, you know, being estranged from your children. Some physicians are struggling with anger management difficulties, disruptive behavior, that’s the dreaded label that you don’t want at the hospital or healthcare system. And just know that getting apathetic and not going through the motions, if you will, and that your patients notice it, you start making mistakes more frequently. You don’t have the same compassion or empathy you had when you started out. And some, some of the physicians unfortunately, slide down that slippery slope into things like substance abuse, gambling, and, and sadly, even you know, suicide is become a real problem for physicians with over 400 physician suicides a year now. That’s over one Day that physicians taking their life because they’re, they’re so burnt out. It’s really, you know, the consequences of ignoring burnout are quite serious. But despite the dire impact, you know, it’s just not receiving the attention that it needs. And when I say that, I don’t mean that people aren’t talking about burnout. I mean, that they’re not doing anything about burnout. You know, you can read all the journals about the number of and the percentages and everything. But what I’d like to see and what my book hopefully provides for physicians is concrete steps that people could take to get rid of the burnout to get out of that rut as opposed to just, you know, we’ll hear your Don’t feel bad. You’re one of you know, 50 or 60% of physicians in the US.
Unknown Speaker  8:50
So, one of the things that you mentioned in terms of ways to handle it is is your is your legacy ladder. So I definitely want to talk about my ways to manage burnout. But I want to first talk about the fact that it starts it can start as early as residency, right? It can even start it in medical school, and then residency. In residency, it’s a bit understandable, right? Like your, your schedule is not your own, your life is not your own. Your patients are not your own right, you’re seeing other people’s patients. And also there’s a steep learning curve. So you might, you know, you’re constantly being informed of what you’re doing incorrectly, in an attempt to educate yourself, but it really, you know, it can, it can take its toll on your confidence, which then takes its toll on your well being.
Unknown Speaker  9:42
And so, one of the things that was implemented
Unknown Speaker  9:47
when I became a resident was the 80 Hour Work Week, right? You know, and then I’m sure the eight hour work week is still considered obscene Lehigh but, you know, there were there were doctors that were working You know greater greater than or at least in the hospital for more than 80 hours a week. So when we limited our hours, at least his residence did that have an impact on the rate of burnout in residency? And if it was that we used to work more now we work less Why? Why didn’t burn out go away during for residence.
Unknown Speaker  12:19
So my sister in law when she was a general internal medicine Fellow at Hopkins wrote a paper on, I think she wrote it, maybe it was under her maiden name Lauren gold. Maybe it was under her married name Lauren block, but she wrote a paper that received a significant amount of publicity. Because you tracked the amount of time that internal medicine residents were spending doing different activities. And it turned out that face to face time with patients was was, I mean, I don’t want to say it incorrectly. But like somewhere between eight and 15% ring rings a bell, but whatever it was, it was something that was definitely noteworthy because of how much time they spent filling out discharge paperwork and things like that. And how much time was spent actually with
Unknown Speaker  13:05
physical? Yeah, with patients. And that’s that’s exactly it. You know, there’s no, no sense of I went into medicine to fill up big purse. No one ever said that.
Unknown Speaker  13:18
So, so if there are any med students listening not that this should dictate their decisions, but rather inform their decisions, what specialties tend to have higher burnout rates? And are there any specialties out there that would seem counterintuitive to you, given that, you know, you’re saying we need to be we need to be fulfilled. That’s that’s how we, one of the major ways that we combat burnout is by making sure that we feel we’re doing matters so. So what are the ones out there that tend to be the highest? And what are the ones that you would take you by surprise?
Unknown Speaker  13:52
Yeah, so recent survey looked at just this last week. It said urology was number one number ology was number two, and physical medicine rehab. Actually, number three is followed by, you know, what you expect, you know, your primary care your emergency room physician and general surgery. So that’s, you know, that’s kind of the top of the list. And I was I was shocked to see my specialty for dietary at number three on the walls, because now we, I would say, we’re not nothing we do are very free infrequently as anything we do life and death. So, you know, we may not get as many calls, I think it just comes back. You know, some of these specialties that, you know, you go into it expecting one thing and you realize, you know, you’re doing a lot of other things like now for us, you know, people come in and they want disability forms filled out. They want their DMV to get their handicap placard for their car filled out. A lot of this stuff that you’re doing is administrative or paperwork, and it’s not satisfying. And the same thing with radiology, I don’t think many people would expect that to be in the top half of the list of burnout specialties. I’m going to get even even then, you know that there’s a lot of radiologists that are that are burned out now to
Unknown Speaker  15:17
Yeah, actually just had a conversation with sanj cartel who wrote a book on positive psychology and, and he’s a radiologist. And it seems that even though it seems, you know, they do well, financially, they don’t get a lot of MIT in the middle of the night calls there. They’re so distanced from the patient care, that they’ve lacked that fulfillment. So he actually had some strategies to to help combat that. But I think that’s that seems to be the refrain here, that that if you’re in pmmr years filling out forms for disability and workman’s comp and you’re not kind of feel fulfilled it and it seems like compensation does very little to to mitigate that or at least a lot less than you would expect.
Unknown Speaker  16:07
And and that’s surprising a lot of the people who’ve done these studies, they were surprised to find that out it didn’t have anything to do with how much or how little you made you know if you’re if you’re filling out the same form, and I’ll you know, you mentioned the word competition to honor that was kind of my bread and butter when I first started out is because nobody else wanted to do it at the time. You know, you, you put everything in your note you dictate your assessment, your plan, work camp, least in Florida at the time you had a separate one that you filled out where you put down again, everything you found on your physical exam, your assessment, and then your diagnosis, and then your plan, what you would ordered, and then you wrote on your prescription, the medication you ordered against the writing the same thing three times just to meet different people’s requirements. And then headset doesn’t take a medical degree to be able to basically photocopy something down. You know, it just gives you stress and carpal tunnel. And that was about the gist of it.
Unknown Speaker  17:14
Which being in PMR, you’re able to diagnose, treat. Yes.
Unknown Speaker  17:20
So what are some of your higher yield recommendations from the book let’s, let’s, let’s try and find some action items for our listeners that take like a least a month just to kind of dip their toe in the water and give them a taste for what you you provide in the book. So least time and effort that are going to have the biggest impact so they get to get them started.
Unknown Speaker  17:41
Yeah, and I think most of the things I’ve wrote about really aren’t not time intensive to do or they don’t require big change is it’s little things you know if you can save 30 seconds each patient and counter and you have 20 patients you see in a day or you save 10 minutes that day, over the course of a week, that’s an hour, which, you know, you add that up, you say you work 50 hours a week, take two off, or 50 or 50 weeks out of the year, you know, that’s you substantially increase the amount of free time or time to got to do other things. Even just making that you know, 30 minutes a day difference. Now, if you can add that to your to your day. And so, you know, the top thing that most physicians complain about is, is electronic medical record. The we, the number one cause of burnout everywhere you look has to do with charting and bureaucratic tasks. So if you can find ways to make your EMR your, your EMR your ally and not your enemy, that’s going to go a long way to reducing burnout. So another thing to realize is there’s no question It’s EMR system out there, because I’ve gone through this with tons of physicians. And they’re like, Well, you know, maybe I need to switch to this one or that one. Well, no matter what you do, you’re going to run into the same problem. And that is that someone who has no medical education, not a clue about what it takes to interact with a patient in the room, writing the software that you’re now using and being forced to squeeze into how we practice. So find ways to work around it within the system as much as you can. And so, for me, templates are a lifesaver, everything that I do, if possible is templated to the nth degree. In that can be not just your patient knows not just your reports, they can be letters to referring physicians, they can be letters to patients, they can be my special two letters, the case managers or attorneys, just to anything that you want. More than once a day, you really must have that template, it’s somewhere. If you write it more than even once a week, I still do a template for it just because it saves you so much time to do it that way, you may not think that it’s a lot of work to dictate another 60 seconds each time. But again, those little minutes here and there add up to use technology as your friend, the others, there’s ways that you can combine the standard template along with voice recognition. So one of the things I did early in my practice and I combine the two, it actually sped things up so much because you’re a lot of people know you can’t template, every single possible thing there is, you know, so being able to say, dictate a history. point and click for the physical exam point, click for a diagnosis, point and click for your assessment and plan and then Maybe you know, predicted a sentence or two that specific to that patient and makes it go much faster than than typing we all we talk faster than we can type I mean voice recognition when I was writing my book even just because I have a thought in my head if I don’t get it fast enough the chances are it may leave before I before I get it written out by hand or even typed out. So using that to your advantage make technology in your electronic medical record your friend don’t don’t look at as as an as an enemy as something to struggle against.
Unknown Speaker  21:37
Yeah, I use I use dragon and I’m certainly not but I really you know, it helps me one it helps me connect with my patients a little more because they’ll tell me their their story and then I will dictate it in a more succinct way which really helps them understand what they’re experiencing, you know, particularly when patients come in with sinus problems. Me up beside it, sinus infections or dizziness, which is always very complicated to wade through, you know, bring it back themselves with in a succinct way can help them understand their symptoms a bit more. And then I dictate the plan, I dictate, I dictate the whole plan for most situations because then they get to hear the plan at the end. So rather than me telling them what the plan is, I dictate the plan. They hear me doing it, so I don’t do it in such a rapid fire away. And then I get an opportunity to ask questions. So I’ve saved myself a step there. I do have some templated plans, but but I definitely what I need to do based on what you’re saying is, I need to take a day off, I need to take it off. And I need to sit down with someone who knows my EMR really well. And I need to find as many ways as possible to maximize the macros and the templates. The caveat being though, you know things like carry forward, there is a huge legal liability there. You always need to watch out for things like that if there are contradictions, your review systems and your history present illness, now your documentation can’t be trusted as much and, and so those are those are always things that you need to be cognizant of but I definitely need to take a day off because it will make a huge not a day off a day to maximize my EMR or a half a day because you’re right it is going to make a huge impact as much as you may not like the EMR don’t hate the player hate the game. You know, you got
Unknown Speaker  23:34
to you have
Unknown Speaker  23:35
to find your your you’re in it. You can’t you can scribble your notes on a on a note card and days are passed yet you
Unknown Speaker  23:42
have to find a way to embrace it. And really, most especially if you work for a hospital system, or they have people who would that’s their job is they’ll come sit down next to you walk through a patient encounter with you and just see where it is that they can help you maximize your efficiency and and you’re right taking the time it may seem like a burden at this moment, but you take the time and invest in getting to know your system front work backwards, you’re going to make up all that time in the in the end because you’re going to be so much more efficient. There is so much less stress. You don’t if you’re taking two or three steps to do something that one of the Mr. champions at your facility can can show you how to do in one step is going to make a make your life so much easier. And really, you know that that’s what we’re trying to do with this book is just find ways to make the most of your time so you can get back some of that. You know, we talked about delegating outsourcing. Now whether you use your nurses and aides to fill out forms or fields phone calls us a scribe in the in the room with you outsourcing at home, you know, if you want to spend more time with your spouse, connect with your kids, you know, find someone else to do the yard work or clean house, you know, you don’t have to do all those things. You just have to find someone else who can do it. And, you know, let’s face it, they probably are better at it than you are.
Unknown Speaker  25:15
Well, especially, you know, you have to consider your income versus how much you’re paying out. Right? If you if you can dry while you’re your own house, then. But the amount that you make as a physician, that being said, post tax, right, and then, absolutely, and how efficiently they do it and how much they cost and how well they don’t relative to you. And, you know, it’s it’s basically an economic decision, you know, how much do I make an hour? How much do I pay this person an hour? And how well do they do it relative to how well I can do it? Or you know, unless you enjoy it? Some people enjoy the spackling I guess,
Unknown Speaker  25:50
yes, yes. I can’t say that. That’s one of my favorite things. But there’s, that’s kind of one of things I touched on the book is and I actually break it down by if you Make, say 200,000 a year and you work 80 hours a week. What’s your hourly rate? And if it comes out $200 an hour just for a round number. And you can get the kid down the street to mow your lawn for 20 bucks and he gets done in an hour. Why are you doing that? Unless you just really love it. Is there not something better you can do with your time, I would never have time enough to catch up on our paperwork and things he had she get caught up on your billing, you’re actually making money during that time. He’s out there mowing the lawn for you. Now you’ve got it, those things are where you going to are going to make the most of it financially is not going to be doing those minimum wage type tasks around the house.
Unknown Speaker  26:45
Yeah, being being frugal is important and not spending money buying stuff that isn’t going to make you any happier, which we’ve talked about in previous episodes. But outsourcing is going to free up time which is your most valuable resource. So paying someone to Do something that you would be doing is very different. Because you’ve just bought time. You have to think think of these things in two different baskets. One is stuff. And the other one is time and time is much more valuable than stuff
Unknown Speaker  27:14
that time is the most valuable thing we have. There’s no resource greater. You can look gold, silver, Bitcoin, whatever you want. There’s nothing more valuable than time. When I work with people or coach them, I always tell them, I can find ways to make you more money. I cannot find ways to make you more time once if you’re not willing to do some of these things that we’re talking about. Your limited, I cannot create time. Now we can find ways to make your practice more efficient. You can see more patients you can sell braces in front of front end of your office. You can invest in stocks or real estate. You can make more money. You can never ever create more time though. And so that’s what The things I focused more on in the book was how to get your time back as well as your healthy I things like eating well exercising right? Every day. Those are kind of important things that I was to me anyway you got your your health and your time there’s, there’s nothing else more important than that. Because you can don’t have those two things you can’t give to anyone else in your life.
Unknown Speaker  28:24
There’s one last thing from your book that I want to talk about and that’s the legacy ladder. Can you just talk briefly about the legacy ladder?
Unknown Speaker  28:32
Oh, certainly. The the legacy letter was something I created to help my coaching clients reconnect with with their dreams to get clear on their goals. What What is it that you want to get from your career? Because let’s face it, when you’re burned out, when you’re stressed when you’re, you don’t get a sense of purpose in your life. It’s kind of hard to get out of that rut and that’s where you know, whether it’s using the book or an actual coach. One on One, to to get you out of that. That’s where having an outside source helps. And that’s really what the legacy ladder is. It’s, it’s some, it’s a ladder to help you get out of that rut, if you will. It looks at what is starts off the big picture, what’s the legacy you want to leave with your life? If we look at the big picture, what do we want to accomplish, how it’s much easier to narrow down to the specific things that we need to change. We can get more clear on things that are really important to us and what are not important. Because let’s face it, you know, we always get asked to, to sit in on some meeting or be a part of the committee or even outside of the hospital to be a warden for Warner for charitable foundation or, or school or your alma mater that really are those things help you reach your goals in kind of next step is that you know, so you have that big picture and What roles Do you need to be successful in in order to make that legacy a reality? I mean, you’ve got your role as a physician, which is important to you, and you work so hard to get there. But you’ve also got your role as, as a spouse, as a parent, as a as a friend, as a leader in your community. And sometimes those roles compete so you’ve got to be able to, to weigh know the value of those, you know, and do. Am I living out my life according to what I say value in if my values and beliefs aren’t lined up with the roles I’m taking on or the way I’m spending my time and you’re just going to get frustrated and you’re not going to feel fulfilled with that. And then the other kind of the next couple rungs down from that is you know, if I’m if I need to fulfill this need to be in this role, what skills do I need to succeed within that? Roll. So if your goal is to, you know, become Chief Medical Officer at your hospital, the president needs to learn some leadership skills. You know, if you want to give presentations on your area of expertise to, to further your academic career to attract more patients, now, the developing your public speaking skills is important. You know, for me, you know, I’ve written a number of books and, and I’ve been a speaker, and I’ve done coaching, you know, the really, writing was only one that came naturally to me, that was kind of one of my innate strengths that I had speaking took more time and more effort, you know, to master the techniques to to be able to communicate effectively in either a 10 minute time block, a half hour time block or an hour time block, depending on where I was at. So, you know, do you have the skills to succeed and D are the habits to be successful. This is kind of what we talked about in the book too, is Managing your your EMR managing the your to do list by delegating or outsourcing.
Unknown Speaker  32:07
Are you taking care of your yourself sleeping, right eating right exercising? Do you have the right habits in order to be successful? I think further kind of at the bottom of that list is really you know, you’re in the right environment to grow. If you’re, you know, unfortunately, a lot of doctors think that this is the place they want to start and, and that’s, it’s good to consider your environment but it’s really kind of the lowest level you can succeed no matter where you’re at, if you have the right habits, right skills. And you know, you’re putting yourself in the right positions. But if you’re, if you’re not addressing any of those things, and just looking at, you know, I’m going to change my environment, that new job is what I need. Unfortunately, you’re going to take a lot of those same attitudes and skills or lack thereof with you to your next job or Your next institution or your next unfortunately, for some physicians relationship, your next marriage, you know, you gotta fix those things. And you can’t do that without kind of going through the steps this legacy ladder to see where you want to end up at the end of your career, then if you’re alive, what do you want to do? Where do you want to be? And I think that doing it this way with the legacy ladder really is a much more efficient way of, of doing that. And it’s worked for a lot of other physicians and I highly recommend it to anyone who’s kind of feeling stuck and feeling like what they’re doing isn’t isn’t leaving them satisfied or fulfilled.
Unknown Speaker  33:42
I think that ties in well to the last question that I that I wanted to ask you, it was the the thing in your book that I I found that the hardest to believe. And so what position were you in that you know, two people who play the French horn That
Unknown Speaker  34:00
that was just
Unknown Speaker  34:02
a coincidence of being in a very interesting medical school class. I had a couple of classmates who are music majors one of them played French horn in college for scholarship, I believe. And she was quite talented. And another one of my classmates he, he actually played the French horn as well. We had we had a class choir, we had a class band, we had class flight football team, we were we did most of us anyway, past we sent some very eclectic people in our, in our group and it was definitely fun to get to see all the different traits and and learn about what, what other people do to relax and unwind. Because, you know, there’s some things we may not think about illiterates listening to a good podcast on your way to work, reading a book or or playing music to find things even outside of medicine that you enjoy, and hope you feel fulfilled in life.
Unknown Speaker  35:06
Yeah, I think that’s, that’s, you know, we need we need fulfillment in life in and we think we need fulfillment in our careers, but also outside of the office outside of the operating room outside of the hospital. So it’s important to have that, that type of balance. So some type of creative outlet I think is really important too. That’s an excellent point. So Dr. Christopher burden, it has been a very interesting and very helpful conversation to me and I’m sure to the listeners as well. So where else can people find you?
Unknown Speaker  35:35
The easiest places just Christopher Burton, MD. com. Please do the MD otherwise you get to a luxury home builder in South Florida. Won’t be helpful at all. unless you’d like luxury homes but yeah, Christopher Burton MD. com. You can email me info at Christopher Burton MD. com. I’m also on LinkedIn. For slash Christopher Britain, MD So those are probably the best ways to reach out to me the book is on Amazon available. If you get a chance to go check it out. I would greatly appreciate it if you can leave a review as well, just to, you know, spread the word. let other people know there are solutions out there. Now, we talked about the consequences of burnout in and we don’t have to go through that, that slippery slope, we don’t have to go through it alone, either. Whether it’s whether it’s a book or attending a lecture or or having one on one coaching there’s there’s solutions out there. Don’t think that you have to face burnout alone.
Unknown Speaker  36:40
Christopher burden MD burnout breakthrough is the book. Thank you very much for your time. It has been a pleasure.
Unknown Speaker  36:46
Thank you look forward to talking soon.
Unknown Speaker  36:50
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